Hi, Spring fans! Happy 4th to those of you who celebrate. In today's episode, I talk to the man, the myth, the legend, the good Dr. Venkat Subramaniam on Kotlin, the future of Java, Spring, open-source, being productive and awesome, and so much more.

• Dr. Subramaniam on Twitter (@venkat_s)
• a tweet asking that whatever recording I do with Dr. Subramaniam for the Bootiful Podcast be longer than an hour (wish granted!)
• The image from today's episode comes from a joint-talk that the good Dr. Subramaniam and I did in Atlanta, GA for the epic Devnexus conference. I am using the photo from Matt Raible's tweet
• Dr. Subramaniam's new book, Programming Kotlin